Posted: Mon May 21, 2007 12:29 pm
Why pay when Daniel could use his criminal skills?voyboy wrote:why are you sneaking into hotels for free continental breakfasts and free Internet service? is Jonas out of money?
Lonelygirl15
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Julia's Medical Record
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jonas is evil
Posted: Mon May 21, 2007 10:32 pm
so u r in N. Cal, right?
Posted: Mon May 21, 2007 10:53 pm
I assumed the number was Julia's social security number.
Posted: Mon May 21, 2007 11:04 pm
Hahaha, I just did that this morning!danielbeast wrote:I snuck into this hotel and pretended to be a guest lol. I'm in the business center... love the free coffee and donuts!
Mmmmm, free (truly!) continental breakfast...
Posted: Tue May 22, 2007 2:27 pm
It couldn't be her social security number because ss#'s are 10 numbers and the numbers (8[or is that a B?]1606324684) consist of 11 numbers.JustAnotherLonelyGirl. wrote:I assumed the number was Julia's social security number.
Posted: Tue May 22, 2007 3:17 pm
SSN are 9-digit numbers in the US.Chelseyrl wrote:It couldn't be her social security number because ss#'s are 10 numbers and the numbers (8[or is that a B?]1606324684) consist of 11 numbers.JustAnotherLonelyGirl. wrote:I assumed the number was Julia's social security number.
Posted: Tue May 22, 2007 9:17 pm
maybe a credit card number?
Posted: Tue May 22, 2007 10:55 pm
Ah, yeah you're right. I dunno what I was thinking.impulse wrote:SSN are 9-digit numbers in the US.Chelseyrl wrote:It couldn't be her social security number because ss#'s are 10 numbers and the numbers (8[or is that a B?]1606324684) consist of 11 numbers.JustAnotherLonelyGirl. wrote:I assumed the number was Julia's social security number.
Posted: Tue May 22, 2007 11:36 pm
Okay, I did a little research on what the 15.2 pg/mL might mean, but it got tedious and I didn't finish it, if anyone wants to pick up the ball and run with it a little further, feel free. Here are my notes:
The top section just shows conversion of the given value 15.2 pg/mL into various possible clinical data items that use that unit for measurement.
Angiotensin II appears to be a possibility since the value is close to the normal range.
It does not appear likely to be Calcitonin, Estradiol, or Vitamin B12 since the values are not in the expected ranges, from the reference I found for expected adult values. I'm not sure about the PTH value because I don't have the conversion factor to match up the units.
But take all this with a grain of salt, because I think you need quite a lot of medical training to make any reasonable statements about clinical data. Things interact and age, weight, sex, health, etc. are all factors.
Anyone want to search for expected clinical ranges for some of the other items?
Also, in thinking about this, I wonder if whatever the factor of interest turns out to be is tied to maturation... it seems the Order is keeping young females waiting for them to mature, and then checking for some "trait."
My guess is that we are looking for something that is rare/unusual (to get a "Trait Positive" result), so it would make sense then that Julia's "Trait Negative" result would be a more common result, and would fall in an expected range.
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Julia Anderson
81630324684
06/07/92
TRAIT: NEGATIVE (15.2pg/mL)
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Clinical Data Unit Conversion
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http://www.unc.edu/~rowlett/units/scales/clinical_data.html
Conventional Conversion Metric Trait
Unit Factor Unit 15.2 pg/mL
Angiotensin I pg/mL 0.772 pmol/L 11.7 pmol/L
Angiotensin II pg/mL 0.957 pmol/L 14.6 pmol/L
Antidiuretic hormone pg/mL 0.923 pmol/L 14.0 pmol/L
Calcitonin pg/mL 1.0 ng/L 15.2 ng/L
Corticotropin (ACTH) pg/mL 0.22 pmol/L 3.34 pmol/L
Epinephrine pg/mL 5.46 pmol/L 83.0 pmol/L
Estradiol pg/mL 3.671 pmol/L 55.8 pmol/L
Glucagon pg/mL 1.0 ng/L 15.2 ng/L
Norepinephrine pg/mL 0.00591 nmol/L 0.090 nmol/L
Parathyroid hormone pg/mL 1.0 ng/L 15.2 ng/L
Renin pg/mL 0.0237 pmol/L 0.36 pmol/L
Somatostatin pg/mL 0.611 pmol/L 9.29 pmol/L
polypeptide pg/mL 1.0 ng/L 15.2 ng/L
Vitamin B12 (cyanocobalamin) pg/mL 0.738 pmol/L 11.2 pmol/L
Vitamin D
1,25-Dihydroxyvitamin D pg/mL 2.6 pmol/L 39.52 pmol/L
25-Hydroxyvitamin D ng/mL 2.496 nmol/L
(conventional units x conversion factor = metric units)
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Expected/Normal Values:
http://eurheartj.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/reprint/21/17/1484-a.pdf
Angiotensin II
normal range 5-15 pg/mL
elevated levels (median 33 pg/mL) correlate to congestive heart disease
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google search: clinical data reference ranges
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Reference Ranges:
http://www.cdha.nshealth.ca/programsandservices/clinicalchemistry/referenceRanges.html
Endicrinology
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http://www.cdha.nshealth.ca/programsandservices/clinicalchemistry/endoInterpretiveDataRefRanges.pdf
Calcitonin (CAL) pg/mL 1.0 ng/L
reference range male: < 11 pg/mL
refernece range female: < 7 pg/mL
Estradiol (E2) pg/mL 3.671 pmol/L
reference range adult female:
postmenopausal untreated <110 pmol/L
postmenopausal treated <341 pmol/L
ovulating follicular phase: <976 pmol/L
ovulating midcycle: 433-1303 pmol/L
ovulating luteal: 95-606 pmol/L
oral contraceptives: <374 pmol/L
reference range adult male: <205 pmol/L
Parathyroid hormone (PTH) pg/mL 1.0 ng/L
reference range adult: 1.1-7.5 pmol/L
Vitamin B12 (cyanocobalamin) pg/mL 0.738 pmol/L
reference range: 156-672 pmol/L
about Antidiuretic hormone (ADH):
http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/cgi/content/full/116/6/1401
more on Estradiol:
http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2006/may2006_report_blood_04.htm
Angiotensin II appears to be a possibility since the value is close to the normal range.
It does not appear likely to be Calcitonin, Estradiol, or Vitamin B12 since the values are not in the expected ranges, from the reference I found for expected adult values. I'm not sure about the PTH value because I don't have the conversion factor to match up the units.
But take all this with a grain of salt, because I think you need quite a lot of medical training to make any reasonable statements about clinical data. Things interact and age, weight, sex, health, etc. are all factors.
Anyone want to search for expected clinical ranges for some of the other items?
Also, in thinking about this, I wonder if whatever the factor of interest turns out to be is tied to maturation... it seems the Order is keeping young females waiting for them to mature, and then checking for some "trait."
My guess is that we are looking for something that is rare/unusual (to get a "Trait Positive" result), so it would make sense then that Julia's "Trait Negative" result would be a more common result, and would fall in an expected range.
Posted: Tue May 22, 2007 11:45 pm
OMG I just had a burst of insight.
They label certain genes with numbers.
Maybe that is the number of the trait for which Julia is negative.
-prepares for a late night of LG15 research-
They label certain genes with numbers.
Maybe that is the number of the trait for which Julia is negative.
-prepares for a late night of LG15 research-
Posted: Wed May 23, 2007 12:28 am
One of the people on the comment board already checked, it's not a gene number.JustAnotherLonelyGirl. wrote:OMG I just had a burst of insight.
They label certain genes with numbers.
Maybe that is the number of the trait for which Julia is negative.
-prepares for a late night of LG15 research-
Posted: Wed May 23, 2007 5:03 am
Good job QtheC! that is defiantly some good information.
That was a lot of info, I've done a lot of research too, but I just can't get anything to connect.
That was a lot of info, I've done a lot of research too, but I just can't get anything to connect.
Posted: Wed May 23, 2007 10:11 am
i was JUST on that website Q
Posted: Wed May 23, 2007 10:31 am
a picogram per mL is very very little
ok we had a med student and a pharmacy student here... we can do this
ok we had a med student and a pharmacy student here... we can do this
Posted: Wed May 23, 2007 7:26 pm
Several other factors other than hormones are measured in picograms/L. Specifically Interleukins.
Interleukins are typcially associated with inflammation processes, however genetic studies have shown some interesting things about several of the interleukins.
IL-8: f a pregnant mother has high levels of interleukin-8, she has a higher risk of inducing schizophrenia in her offspring.[1] High levels of Interleukin 8 have been shown to reduce the chance of good treatment responses to antipsychotic medication in schizophrenia.[2] Interleukin-8 is often associated with inflammation.
Also:
The role of interleukins, such as IL-8, and chemokine receptors (CXCR1 and 2) has been postulated in cancer growth, but no clear connection has been established. Our results will open the possibility of a novel approach for combating metastatic breast cancer.
IL-6: IL-6 is one of the most important mediators of fever and of the acute phase response. In the muscle and fatty tissue IL-6 stimulates energy mobilization which leads to increased body temperature. IL-6 can be secreted by macrophages in response to specific microbial molecules, referred to as pathogen associated molecular patterns (PAMPs). These PAMPs bind to highly important detection molecules of the innate immune system, called Toll-like receptors (TLRs), that are present on the cell surface (or in intracellular compartments) which induce intracellular signaling cascades that give rise to inflammatory cytokine production. IL-6 is also essential for hybridoma growth and is found in many supplemental cloning media such as briclone. Inhibitors of IL-6 (including estrogen) are used to treat postmenopausal osteoporosis.
TNF-alpha: tissue necrosis factor. Has several different functions depending on organ being stimulated. Usually works in unison with IL-1 and IL-6.
Bad news...I cannot recall the normal levels of any of these genomes. If anyone wants to do the research there...go for it.
EDIT: To be clear: The above data comes directly from Wikipedia, but were written (partially) by a colleague of mine
Interleukins are typcially associated with inflammation processes, however genetic studies have shown some interesting things about several of the interleukins.
IL-8: f a pregnant mother has high levels of interleukin-8, she has a higher risk of inducing schizophrenia in her offspring.[1] High levels of Interleukin 8 have been shown to reduce the chance of good treatment responses to antipsychotic medication in schizophrenia.[2] Interleukin-8 is often associated with inflammation.
Also:
The role of interleukins, such as IL-8, and chemokine receptors (CXCR1 and 2) has been postulated in cancer growth, but no clear connection has been established. Our results will open the possibility of a novel approach for combating metastatic breast cancer.
IL-6: IL-6 is one of the most important mediators of fever and of the acute phase response. In the muscle and fatty tissue IL-6 stimulates energy mobilization which leads to increased body temperature. IL-6 can be secreted by macrophages in response to specific microbial molecules, referred to as pathogen associated molecular patterns (PAMPs). These PAMPs bind to highly important detection molecules of the innate immune system, called Toll-like receptors (TLRs), that are present on the cell surface (or in intracellular compartments) which induce intracellular signaling cascades that give rise to inflammatory cytokine production. IL-6 is also essential for hybridoma growth and is found in many supplemental cloning media such as briclone. Inhibitors of IL-6 (including estrogen) are used to treat postmenopausal osteoporosis.
TNF-alpha: tissue necrosis factor. Has several different functions depending on organ being stimulated. Usually works in unison with IL-1 and IL-6.
Bad news...I cannot recall the normal levels of any of these genomes. If anyone wants to do the research there...go for it.
EDIT: To be clear: The above data comes directly from Wikipedia, but were written (partially) by a colleague of mine